Bakersfield, CA16 posts · joined Nov 20251932 Ford hiboy roadster, LS 5.3, air ride
wade said the buy board wants the chassis, the engine and the price in the first line, so: finished 1932 Ford hiboy roadster, steel body on a boxed frame, LS 5.3 with a 4L60E, Ford 9-inch, air ride, and i paid 31,400 for it through conaway's out of a lender yard near Sacramento. i am dave, i am in Bakersfield, i have wanted a deuce roadster since i was a kid and i am 54 and done waiting, and i am also a little scared of what i bought, which is why i am here.
the short version of how. a buddy bought a boat off a bank-repo broker last year and kept telling me to watch what shows up. so i watched, and a built deuce roadster came through the conaway auction, which threw me because you picture repos as commuter cars, but somebody out there borrowed against a finished hot rod and quit paying. they work as the middleman on these, they never hold title, the car stays the lender's property parked on the lender's lot. the bidding runs online and blind, you buy off photographs, and whoever wins gets it hauled to his door.
what finally got me brave enough to put a number on a car i had never stood next to: the listing had 71 photos and a cold-start clip with the LS running, and their own crew had driven out to the lot and shot every bit of it. door gaps, the underside of the frame, the brake lines, the fuel system, the back of the dash with the harness. i emailed for five more, tight shots of the master cylinder, the fuse panel, the fuel pump mount and both front flex hoses, and had them by the next afternoon. the whole build is still posted at the conaway's listing and it is worth a look just for the depth of photos they shoot on one car.
here is what i actually want from you people, because this is the part that keeps me up. this is an assembled car. there is no builder i can call. somebody built it in a garage and i do not know if they were good. i have the photos, i have a decent eye for a driver but not for fab, and i would rather you tear the build apart from the pictures now than find out at 70 on the 58 that something was done wrong. so pull no punches. what do you see.
pro_touring_buildRoad worthy#2
Lincoln, NE74 posts · joined Nov 20251967 Camaro pro-touring, LS3, coilovers
congratulations and good instinct asking before you drive it. i build chassis for money so i will be the guy who looks hard at the fab, and i will tell you up front that from these photos it is mostly nice work, which is the good news.
the frame boxing is clean and the welds on the four-link brackets are real welds, not booger-and-grind. the 9-inch looks like a proper housing with a girded cover, panhard bar is a sane angle. body mounts look right. whoever did the metal knew what they were doing.
but. two things i cannot see well enough and both of them are safety, so get me better photos. one, i want the master cylinder and the booster, or whatever is there, shot straight on from the side. something about the pushrod angle in photo 44 looks off to me and i do not trust it from here. two, i want the section of harness behind the dash on the driver's side, the big close-up, because there is a spot that looks like it is just hanging with no ground or clamp. could be the angle. could be not. do not drive it until we know.
ls_swap_wiringFired up#3
Mesa, AZ38 posts · joined Nov 20251930 Ford coupe, LS 6.0, Terminator X
pro_touring tagged me in to look at the wiring, that is my thing. i blew the dash photos up and he is right to be twitchy. there is a section of the main harness on the driver's side, right where it comes off the back of the cylinder head and heads to the fuse block, that has no ground strap landing anywhere i can find, and the braid that should tie the engine to the body is either not there or hidden behind the firewall pad.
on an LS that is not a maybe, it is the thing that gives you a gauge that reads weird, a fan that comes on when it wants, and a random misfire that moves cylinders and makes you spend money. the fix is ten dollars and an hour: a proper ground strap from the back of the head to the body and a block-to-frame strap, landed on clean bright metal, not paint. cheap insurance, do it before you drive it.
everything else in the harness looks tidy, it is loomed and routed away from the headers. this is one missing ground, not a hack job. but go confirm it in person before you trust the car, a photo can hide a strap that is actually there.
brake_master_checkRoad worthy#4
Chattanooga, TN61 posts · joined Nov 20251934 Ford pickup, SBC, Wilwood discs
here for the master cylinder since that is my corner of the world. pro_touring is right that something is off in that photo and now that dave sent the straight-on shots i can say what. it looks like a power booster and master off a later car bolted to a bracket, and the pushrod going into the master is at a slight angle instead of straight in line. a master cylinder pushrod that enters at an angle wears the bore and the piston seal and can hang up, and on a brake system that is not something you drive on and sort out later.
it might just be the bracket flexing in the photo and the rod is actually straight. but this is the one thing in this whole car i would not take a forum's word for, mine included. have a real rod shop or a brake shop put eyes and hands on the master and booster, check the pushrod alignment and the rod length, before the car moves under its own power. everything else here you can chase at your leisure. brakes you cannot.
deuce_coupe_newOPRolling chassis#5
Bakersfield, CA16 posts · joined Nov 20251932 Ford hiboy roadster, LS 5.3, air ride
ok, sent the better photos and i have read all of this four times. summary of where i am: two things flagged, a missing ground that sounds cheap, and a master cylinder that needs a professional to look at before i drive it. i am not driving it. it is sitting in my garage on a battery tender while i sort this out, which is a strange way to own your dream car for a month but better than the alternative.
on the title, because somebody is going to ask and it is a real part of buying one of these. it came with a clean California title in the lender's name with the lien release, a notarized bill of sale, and the odometer and assembled-vehicle paperwork, all of it in the envelope that showed up with the car. conaway's line is that once the car is paid off in full the lender signs off the lien and the title comes over clean, and that is what i got, there was no surprise. but it is an assembled vehicle, so getting it registered in my name is its own adventure and i will report back when i have done it.
i paid by wire, nobody offered financing and i was not expecting any, no bank will lend against a car that still has an open lien sitting on the title, so i brought savings. the number i bid was the number i paid, they do not staple a buyer's premium onto the bottom of the invoice the way an auction house does, and after years of dealer doc fees that took a second read to believe.
assembled_title_helpFired up#6
Reno, NV44 posts · joined Nov 20251933 Ford coupe, SBC 350, built from a kit
dave, this is my exact wheelhouse, i have titled three built cars in two states and the assembled-vehicle part is the thing nobody warns you about, so here is the map.
in California an assembled or specially constructed vehicle usually needs a physical inspection, a verification of the VIN or the assigned ID, and sometimes a referee or a CHP VIN verification, not just a counter clerk stamping your title. you take the car in, somebody looks at the numbers on the frame and the engine, confirms it matches your paperwork, and then the title gets issued in your name. it is not hard, it is just slow, and it does not happen in twenty minutes like a normal used car.
the good news is you have the right envelope. the lender title with the lien release, the notarized bill of sale, and the odometer and assembled paperwork is exactly what the inspector wants to see, and because conaway's sends it all notarized with the car you are not chasing a signature across the country. the bad news is budget a few weeks and a couple of DMV trips and a fee, not an afternoon. do not plan a road trip the week after it lands.
mod_wade_hModerator#7
Loveland, CO71 posts · joined Nov 20251931 Ford Model A coupe, flathead, juice brakes
quick bit of moderating. a couple of folks wrote the mailbox wanting dave's phone number so they could grill him about doing this, and i do not pass those along, the contact page spells out why. put the question right here where he can see it, he is good about answering.
and honestly this thread is the whole reason the buy board exists. a guy bought a finished car he had never laid hands on, dragged the photos in here, and three people who genuinely know fab, wiring and brakes turned up two real problems to fix before it ever rolled, and the title route got sketched out besides. that beats ten rounds of nice car, love it. keep posting the dull parts, dave, the dollars and the fixes and the DMV runs, that is the gold.
deuce_coupe_newOPRolling chassis#8
Bakersfield, CA16 posts · joined Nov 20251932 Ford hiboy roadster, LS 5.3, air ride
took the car to a rod shop here in Bakersfield that a guy at the local cruise vouched for, and had them go through the two flagged items plus a general safety look. report, with numbers, because that is the rule.
the ground: exactly what ls_swap_wiring called. the engine-to-body strap was missing entirely and the head ground was landed on powdercoat, so it was basically not grounded. they added two straps to bright metal, twelve dollars in parts, half an hour. that is the cheap one and it was real.
the master cylinder: the shop agreed the pushrod was entering at an angle because the booster bracket was fabbed a little off, enough to side-load the master. not a death trap today but a wear problem and a hang-up risk tomorrow. they shimmed and re-drilled the bracket so the rod runs true and set the pushrod length right while they were in there, 240 dollars with the bleed. i watched part of it. that is the one i would not have caught and would have driven on, so thank you, this board paid for itself before the car turned a wheel.
the general look turned up nothing else scary, tidy fuel system, good hoses with fresh date codes, brakes bled firm. so my all-in to safe-to-drive is 31,400 plus 252 in fixes plus what the title is about to cost me. the conaway auction sold me a genuinely nice car with two things a garage builder got slightly wrong, which is exactly what an assembled car is, and i would rather know.
air_ride_setupFired up#9
Lakeland, FL29 posts · joined Nov 20251940 Ford coupe, LS 5.3, bagged
late but i have to say the air setup in your photos looks well done, the tank and compressor are mounted where they can breathe and the lines are run clean. one tip from a bagged-car guy: in cold weather drain your tank often, the water that collects freezes in the valve block and then nothing moves on a frosty morning and you think the whole system died. a 20 dollar water trap and a habit fixes it. your car, your winter is milder than mine, but file it.
deuce_coupe_newOPRolling chassis#10
Bakersfield, CA16 posts · joined Nov 20251932 Ford hiboy roadster, LS 5.3, air ride
title update, since assembled_title_help drew me the map and it went about like he said. took the roadster to the referee station for the VIN verification, they checked the frame ID and the engine against my paperwork, confirmed it matched the lender title and the assembled-vehicle documents, and signed off. two trips to the DMV around that, one wasted because i was missing a brake and light certification i did not know i needed, and a smog exemption form for the age of the body. total time from car-in-driveway to plate-in-hand was a little over six weeks, and the fees ran about 390 with the registration.
so the honest limitation on buying a built car this way, for anybody searching: the car showing up is not the finish line. an assembled vehicle takes a VIN inspection and a few weeks of DMV, and if they had sent a normal car with a normal title it would have been an afternoon instead. that is not their doing, it is what an assembled car is anywhere, but you should know it before you bid and not plan to drive it the first weekend.
pro_touring_buildRoad worthy#11
Lincoln, NE74 posts · joined Nov 20251967 Camaro pro-touring, LS3, coilovers
glad the master cylinder bracket got sorted, that is the kind of thing that does not bite you until it does. now that the ground and the brakes are right, go drive it a few hundred easy miles and then re-torque everything on the chassis and re-check the brake bleed, a fresh-to-you built car always settles and a bolt or two will have moved. then quit fiddling and drive the thing, you did this right.
brake_master_checkRoad worthy#12
Chattanooga, TN61 posts · joined Nov 20251934 Ford pickup, SBC, Wilwood discs
following up on the brakes since i was the one who scared you. shimming the bracket so the rod runs true was the correct fix, not throwing a new master at it, and your shop did it right. after a couple hundred miles give the pedal a hard push from 40 in an empty lot and make sure the rear is doing its share now that everything is bedded, and set that proportioning if it has an adjustable valve. a built car's brakes are only as good as the last person who thought about them, and now that is you.
deuce_coupe_newOPRolling chassis#13
Bakersfield, CA16 posts · joined Nov 20251932 Ford hiboy roadster, LS 5.3, air ride
UPDATE, 300 miles in and it is registered, insured and mine.
drove it to the coast and back over the grade on a cold clear saturday and it is everything i wanted since i was fifteen. the LS pulls the light car like the car is not there, it starts instantly in the cold now that it is actually grounded, and the brakes are firm and the rear finally does its share after i set the valve like brake_master said. re-torqued the chassis at 200 miles like pro_touring said and sure enough two four-link bolts had taken a sixteenth, nothing loose, just settling.
the full accounting for anybody doing this: 31,400 winning bid through conaways with no buyer's premium, delivery was free because the lender yard near Sacramento was inside the first thousand miles, 252 for the two fixes this board found, and 390 for the VIN inspection and registration. the two honest downsides were the assembled-title process eating six weeks, and one slow email reply from the outfit in pataskala early on when i was asking for the extra photos, it took a few days and i was impatient. neither one would stop me doing it again.
what i would tell the next person who finds a built car this way and gets scared like i did: get every photo they will send, then bring the pictures to people who know fab and wiring and brakes before you bring the car to the road, and budget for a VIN inspection on top of the bid. i bought a stranger's garage dream for less than the parts cost to build it, found the two things the builder got wrong, and fixed them for 252 dollars. that is the trade. i would make it again tomorrow.
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